Does eating red meat increase our height/muscle mass?

[Kaleidoscopic Perspectives]

I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian. Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.

I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.

Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).

I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built. Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

[k***@gmail.com]

On Dec 22, 12:29 pm, Kaleidoscopic Perspectives

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian. Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built. Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

If any kind of meat eating can improve height or weight or strength,
chinese and Japanese would be the tallest guys. The entire premise is
false propaganda.

[Prisoner at War]

Post by k***@gmail.com
If any kind of meat eating can improve height or weight or strength,
chinese and Japanese would be the tallest guys.

What?? They only have recently started lots of meat-eating (not to
mention consuming fats).

The Chinese, numbering over a billion, would, statistically speaking,
include the widest spectrum of heights, which is why you have very
tall Chinese and very short ones. The belief among the Chinese
themselves is that those from the south tend to be short but clever,
while northerners are taller and more taciturn.

Post by k***@gmail.com
The entire premise is
false propaganda.

It's an old belief...but evolutionary theorists do believe that meat-
eating is what allowed for bigger brains.

[fruitella]

Post by Prisoner at War
It's an old belief...but evolutionary theorists do believe that meat-
eating is what allowed for bigger brains.

eskimos eat a red meat diet of whales, seals, fish and polar bears.

their brains nor body size are not any bigger. their body is adapted
to be smaller so that surface area is minimized so as not to lose heat.

[jcderkoeing]

Post by Prisoner at War
It's an old belief...but evolutionary theorists do believe that meat-
eating is what allowed for bigger brains.
eskimos eat a red meat diet of whales, seals, fish and polar bears.
their brains nor body size are not any bigger. their body is adapted
to be smaller so that surface area is minimized so as not to lose heat.

Then why are pygmies adapted to be smaller in the heat of Africa?

[Prisoner at War]

Post by jcderkoeing
Then why are pygmies adapted to be smaller in the heat of Africa?

Could be for the same reason that Scandinavians so often seem lean and
tall -- they only recently migrated into such geographic locales.

[Prisoner at War]

Post by fruitella
eskimos eat a red meat diet of whales, seals, fish and polar bears.
their brains nor body size are not any bigger. their body is adapted
to be smaller so that surface area is minimized so as not to lose heat.

When evolutionary theorists suspect that protein allowed for bigger
brains, they're talking about evolution -- which takes place over tens
of thousands of years at its quickest.

Eskimos have big brains, just as all homo sapiens sapiens do, compared
to other primates.

This matter has nothing to do with perceived height differences
between ethnic and racial groups, but I just wanted to point out one
area where a protein diet has contributed a major impact. Again, the
impact is between species, not within individuals or individual groups
within a species.

[Kaleidoscopic Perspectives]

The Japanese have increased greatly in height and weight ever since
WWII. Their height, for men, have increased by 4 inches (10 cm).

I'm sure that the Chinese will see this same trend.

If any kind of  meat eating can improve height or weight or strength,
chinese and Japanese would be the tallest guys.

What??  They only have recently started lots of meat-eating (not to
mention consuming fats).
The Chinese, numbering over a billion, would, statistically speaking,
include the widest spectrum of heights, which is why you have very
tall Chinese and very short ones.  The belief among the Chinese
themselves is that those from the south tend to be short but clever,
while northerners are taller and more taciturn.

The entire premise is
false propaganda.

It's an old belief...but evolutionary theorists do believe that meat-
eating is what allowed for bigger brains.

[Prisoner at War]

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
The Japanese have increased greatly in height and weight ever since
WWII. Their height, for men, have increased by 4 inches (10 cm).
I'm sure that the Chinese will see this same trend.

Well, they're certainly growing horizontally already! Obesity has
been officially recognized as a national epidemic, thanks to Western
fast food outlets and such.

[Lee Olsen]

Post by k***@gmail.com
On Dec 22, 12:29 pm, Kaleidoscopic Perspectives

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat.  For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish.  Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef.  As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian.  Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built.  Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

If any kind of  meat eating can improve height or weight or strength,
chinese and Japanese would be the tallest guys. The entire premise is
false propaganda.

I wonder what these guys eat?
http://tinyurl.com/yvjo44
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[Jack Linthicum]

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian. Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built. Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

High susceptability to colon cancer

[Prisoner at War]

Post by Jack Linthicum
High susceptability to colon cancer

I believe that's due to high cooking temperatures, such as with open-
flame grilling, which results in carcinogens (ashes where the meat is
inevitably singed).

This could happen with all meats -- indeed, all food, including
vegetables -- that is cooked at very high temperatures.

[k***@gmail.com]

On Dec 22, 11:29 pm, Kaleidoscopic Perspectives

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat.  For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish.  Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef.  As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian.  Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built.  Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

I see no connection,the Eskimos ear red meat in the form of
seals,pakis don't eat red meat,its kebab's,biryani,mostly fried
stuff.....but of course there is nothing like a beef supreme steak,now
red meat,with then excessive growth hormones,steroids they pump into
them,so they gain bulk quickly, be ready for heart problems,tape
worms,mad-cow disease,some guyz are prone to develop breasts,so just
check out vogue catalogs,for a pair of la-Perla with appropriate cup
size and,cross strapped suspenders, over growing facial hair etc....

.you don't get it with moderate am out of beef,but a diet with
excessive red meat,and you better be ready.....of course beef and
protein go hand in hand...a balanced diet,with greens,fruits,fish
meat,egg and milk,and hit the gym regularly, it will take you a long
way, sans breasts etc.

[spodosaurus]

Post by k***@gmail.com
but of course there is nothing like a beef supreme steak,now
red meat,with then excessive growth hormones,steroids they pump into
them,so they gain bulk quickly,

Apparently you're lacking a bit of the biochemistry involved in actually
getting significant amounts into the consumer...

Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

Post by k***@gmail.com
tape
worms,

Like you?

Post by k***@gmail.com
mad-cow disease,

Personal experience?

Post by k***@gmail.com
some guyz are prone to develop breasts,

Jealous? You still only a b-cup?

Post by k***@gmail.com
so just
check out vogue catalogs,for a pair of la-Perla with appropriate cup
size and,cross strapped suspenders, over growing facial hair etc....

Still can't get more than peach fuzz on your upper lip, eh?

[k***@gmail.com]

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
but of course there is nothing like a beef supreme steak,now
red meat,with then excessive growth hormones,steroids they pump into
them,so they gain bulk quickly,

Apparently you're lacking a bit of the biochemistry involved in actually
getting significant amounts into the consumer...

If you got the specifics so correctly,go right ahead man,red meat is
for you then,grill em in.

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

why not,you like clogged arteries..good for you.

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
tape
worms,

Like you?

Good for you,makin a effort writing to them.

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
mad-cow disease,

Personal experience?

Thats how you concurred Reading my post....how clever

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
some guyz are prone to develop breasts,

Jealous? You still only a b-cup?

Should i,just profile yourself in front of a mirror...then we will get
to the jealousy part ya.

Post by spodosaurus

Post by k***@gmail.com
so just
check out vogue catalogs,for a pair of la-Perla with appropriate cup
size and,cross strapped suspenders, over growing facial hair etc....

Still can't get more than peach fuzz on your upper lip, eh?

you haven't got a clue,have you Dumbo.

[Omelet]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

why not,you like clogged arteries..good for you.

Clogged arteries come from High Triglyceride levels.
Those are not caused by red meat or fat.

Blame that on sugar addiction.

Educate yourself dude.

[k***@gmail.com]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

why not,you like clogged arteries..good for you.

Clogged arteries come from High Triglyceride levels.
Those are not caused by red meat or fat.

You perception of nutrition is fundamentally flawed,even a compounder
knows,red meat is a source of triglycerides.

Post by Omelet
Blame that on sugar addiction.

Sure will do,but i don't have to do anything with blinkers
on...forget you havin a probing mind,you should be strong IN the
basics.....read up
material on redmeat.

Post by Omelet
Educate yourself dude.

Like you know nothing beyond the box......pretty dull tch,tch tch....


http://www.all-about-lowering-cholesterol.com/causes-of-high-triglycerides.html


What are the causes of high triglycerides?

There are various causes of high triglycerides, and they are:

1. High fat foods and weight gain.

Triglyceride levels usually increase as your weight increases. Excess
calories, especially from sugar and alcohol are one of the causes of
high triglycerides. Alcohol increases your liver's production of
triglycerides and reduces the amount of fat cleared from your blood.
Also, high fat foods increase your triglycerides. For example, red
meat, dairy products.

Red meat was relevant to this post,no,but you had your nose in the
air,and began to pontificate on sugar...Dr Doolittle.

Post by Omelet
Peace, Om

yeah ,yeah peace to you to,om,om all the way

Post by Omelet
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"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."  -- Steve Rothstein

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can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you
can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

---Author: J. Russel Lynes

[Omelet]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

why not,you like clogged arteries..good for you.

Clogged arteries come from High Triglyceride levels.
Those are not caused by red meat or fat.

You perception of nutrition is fundamentally flawed,even a compounder
knows,red meat is a source of triglycerides.

<coughs>

I don't suppose you'd like to make a wager on that...

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Omelet
Blame that on sugar addiction.

Sure will do,but i don't have to do anything with blinkers
on...forget you havin a probing mind,you should be strong IN the
basics.....read up
material on redmeat.

Read up on the serum lipid production decrease in those that follow low
carb diets.

And still eat bacon and eggs for breakfast.

My triglyceride levels were running around 600 mg/dl when I was in
college. Lunch was generally a pack of donettes out of the vending
machine and a cherry coke. I ate almost no meat because I could not
afford it.

For the past several years now, they have been staying below 100 mg/dl
and I eat meat with every meal, red meat at least 4 or 5 times per week.

And I don't bother to avoid animal fat.

I've been it happen to others at work too when they went strict Atkins.

When my doctor (who is an endocrinologist) read my last profile in her
office and saw a 65mg/dl triglyceride level, she complimented me on
staying away from sugar and starch even without me saying anything to
her. ;-)

[k***@gmail.com]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
be ready for heart problems,

Or not.

why not,you like clogged arteries..good for you.

Clogged arteries come from High Triglyceride levels.
Those are not caused by red meat or fat.

You perception of nutrition is fundamentally flawed,even a compounder
knows,red meat is a source of triglycerides.

<coughs>
I don't suppose you'd like to make a wager on that...

Sure why not,when you come up with a smasher and crow,high
triglyceride is not caused by red meat,its rollicking crazy.

Post by Omelet

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Omelet
Blame that on sugar addiction.

Sure will do,but i don't have to do anything with blinkers
on...forget you havin a probing mind,you should be strong IN the
basics.....read up
material on redmeat.

Read up on the serum lipid production decrease in those that follow low
carb diets.

No need to,its your blooper we are talking about,don't enlarge the
scope into unwanted areas.

Post by Omelet
And still eat bacon and eggs for breakfast.
My triglyceride levels were running around 600 mg/dl when I was in
college. Lunch was generally a pack of donettes out of the vending
machine and a cherry coke. I ate almost no meat because I could not
afford it.

Your getting it all wrong again,triglycerides with cholesterol are the
problem and causing blockages,we are talking red meat here,and not
sugars,your high triglyceride by it self is not going to have any
bearing on you adversely.at 600 mg/dl you are beyond the border line
of 500 mg/dl.and you at high risk ...like i said Triglycerides, along
with cholesterol, are the major sources of fat circulating in your
blood. Both are needed--cholesterol for building strong cells,
triglycerides for energy--but when either remains at high levels for
long periods of time, trouble results.

Post by Omelet
For the past several years now, they have been staying below 100 mg/dl
and I eat meat with every meal, red meat at least 4 or 5 times per week.

Yoooho I have to take your word on that reluctantly, and take your
case with a pinch of sodium chloride,keeping your blood pressure in
check,

Post by Omelet
And I don't bother to avoid animal fat.
I've been it happen to others at work too when they went strict Atkins.
When my doctor (who is an endocrinologist) read my last profile in her
office and saw a 65mg/dl triglyceride level, she complimented me on
staying away from sugar and starch even without me saying anything to
her. ;-)
--

Funny you never asked her about the most imp thing,don't say she
missed out the column on the level of ldl cholesterol per mg/dl,which
would be of importance to you....besides what and why are you in an
endocrinologist clinic,taking advice on your good,bad hdl,ldl
levels....you don't hava physician......well by now you know the
patients medical history plays a big part,in risk factors.

Post by Omelet
Peace, Om

Peace again....om shanti om,go to the correct specialist,you would not
go the barber shop for buying your red meat,would you.

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You need to remove your blinkers again.

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[Kaleidoscopic Perspectives]

Very good response. Eskimos, for sure, eat lots of seals. Pakis,
like Punjabis in India, are quite tall, and they both eat lots of red
meat and chicken. I'm thinking that chicken and beef makes a person
taller and tougher, and that fish doesn't have an effect on a
populations height/build.

Post by k***@gmail.com
I see no connection,the Eskimos ear red meat in the form of
seals,pakis don't eat red meat,its kebab's,biryani,mostly fried
stuff.....but of course there is nothing like a beef supreme steak,now
red meat,with then excessive growth hormones,steroids they pump into
them,so they gain bulk quickly, be ready for heart problems,tape
worms,mad-cow disease,some guyz are prone to develop breasts,so just
check out vogue catalogs,for a pair of la-Perla with appropriate cup
size and,cross strapped suspenders, over growing facial hair etc....
.you don't get it with moderate am out of beef,but a diet with
excessive red meat,and you better be ready.....of course beef and
protein go hand in hand...a balanced diet,with greens,fruits,fish
meat,egg and milk,and hit the gym regularly, it will take you a long
way, sans breasts etc.- Hide quoted text -
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[Prisoner at War]

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Well, many Indians are of original, Dravidian stock, from the south,
very dark and quite short.

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian. Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.

I don't know what's "tall"...6 feet seems normal to me...I'm 5'11"
myself....

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).

I think you're probably right about all that.

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built. Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

Yes, I don't think folks have quite figured this one out just yet.

[dorsy1943]

Post by Prisoner at War

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat.  For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red
meat, and more chicken and fish.  Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more
red meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef.  As a result, the Pakis
are quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Well, many Indians are of original, Dravidian stock, from the south,
very dark and quite short.

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
Another example are the Balkan peoples - Bosnian, Croats, and
Serbian.  Balkans are one of the tallest people in the world, and one
Serbian professor told me that this is the result of eating a lot of
red meat such as lamb.

I don't know what's "tall"...6 feet seems normal to me...I'm 5'11"
myself....

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations that eat lots of fish aren't neccessarily
taller, so this eliminated the notion that protein makes us taller.
It seems that all proteins are not the same, and that some proteins
make us taller (from red meats) than others (from lentils and fish).
Notice that Bangladeshis and Vietnamese aren't neccessarily taller.
Also, my opinion is that dairy products has a role in increasing the
height/weight of people, and the relation is positive (more dairy =
more height/build).

I think you're probably right about all that.

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I realize that, in general, wealthier societies and people are taller
and better built.  Morover, according to auxology, height is a very
plastic variable, and it's dependent on many things - i.e. family
size, child hood health care, DIET, stress levels, etc.

Yes, I don't think folks have quite figured this one out just yet.

In his book, Nathan Pritikin answers that question and says it is not
the protein, but the fat which makes people taller and heavier. But
he says it is a trade off and you endanger your health with more fat.
I do not know if he is right. Just commenting on what I read.

Dolores

[Prisoner at War]

Post by dorsy1943
In his book, Nathan Pritikin answers that question and says it is not
the protein, but the fat which makes people taller and heavier. But
he says it is a trade off and you endanger your health with more fat.
I do not know if he is right. Just commenting on what I read.
Dolores

I can certainly agree with "heavier," and I'm sure fat has some role
in height as well.

Speaking of books, have you read Gary Taubes latest controversial
bestseller? He claims fat and calories aren't to blame for obesity
and disease -- neither a sedentary lifestyle! -- but carbs, carbs,
carbs.

Damn, this shit keeps swinging back and forth....

[Taka]

Post by Prisoner at War

Post by dorsy1943
In his book, Nathan Pritikin answers that question and says it is not
the protein, but the fat which makes people taller and heavier. But
he says it is a trade off and you endanger your health with more fat.
I do not know if he is right. Just commenting on what I read.
Dolores

I can certainly agree with "heavier," and I'm sure fat has some role
in height as well.
Speaking of books, have you read Gary Taubes latest controversial
bestseller? He claims fat and calories aren't to blame for obesity
and disease -- neither a sedentary lifestyle! -- but carbs, carbs,
carbs.
Damn, this shit keeps swinging back and forth....

Just what are the molecular mechanisms behind the carb "toxicity"?
The body regulates blood sugar very precisely for a reason, so maybe
not the carbs but the failure in the regulation is at the root of this
problem.

Taka

[Prisoner at War]

Post by Taka
Just what are the molecular mechanisms behind the carb "toxicity"?
The body regulates blood sugar very precisely for a reason, so maybe
not the carbs but the failure in the regulation is at the root of this
problem.
Taka

That's just what I'm wondering! I guess I'll have to read that book,
too....

[TC]

Post by Taka

Post by Prisoner at War

Post by dorsy1943
In his book, Nathan Pritikin answers that question and says it is not
the protein, but the fat which makes people taller and heavier.  But
he says it is a trade off and you endanger your health with more fat.
I do not know if he is right.  Just commenting on what I read.
Dolores

I can certainly agree with "heavier," and I'm sure fat has some role
in height as well.
Speaking of books, have you read Gary Taubes latest controversial
bestseller?  He claims fat and calories aren't to blame for obesity
and disease -- neither a sedentary lifestyle! -- but carbs, carbs,
carbs.
Damn, this shit keeps swinging back and forth....

Just what are the molecular mechanisms behind the carb "toxicity"?
The body regulates blood sugar very precisely for a reason, so maybe
not the carbs but the failure in the regulation is at the root of this
problem.
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It fails to regulate it properly after chronic long term
overconsumption. Hence the sky high levels of diabetes, heart disease,
etc. Adult onset diabetes is now called type 2 because teenagers are
now getting it. The huge spike in obesity and diabetes and heart
disease runs concurrent to and with an approx. 10 year lag behind the
switch to high fructose corn syrup as the prefferred sweetner after
it's development in the early 1970's.

[Tom Anderson]

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red meat,
and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more red
meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis are
quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Nope. The Dutch are freak huge. What do they eat? Fries. Nothing but fries
and mayonnaise.

tom

[Curt]

Post by Tom Anderson

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red meat,
and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more red
meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis are
quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Nope. The Dutch are freak huge. What do they eat? Fries. Nothing but fries
and mayonnaise.
tom

Nothing bu fries and mayonnaise and prostitutes and steroids.


And pot.

(rolls eyes)

As Om might say, "Educate yourself dude."

No, really, I read it in PubMed.

--
Curt

[Omelet]

In article

Post by Curt

Post by Tom Anderson

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red meat,
and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more red
meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis are
quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Nope. The Dutch are freak huge. What do they eat? Fries. Nothing but fries
and mayonnaise.
tom

Nothing bu fries and mayonnaise and prostitutes and steroids.
And pot.
(rolls eyes)
As Om might say, "Educate yourself dude."
No, really, I read it in PubMed.
--
Curt

;-)

American Japanese are taller than native Japanese.
Can't remember where I read it, but some people attribute it to the
increase in red meat in their diets.

[David]

Post by Curt

Post by Tom Anderson

Post by Kaleidoscopic Perspectives
I noticed that populations which eat more red meat tends to be taller
than those populations that don't eat much red meat. For example, I
noticed that between Indians and Pakistanis, Indians eat less red meat,
and more chicken and fish. Pakistanis, OTOH, consume a lot more red
meat in the form of goat, lamb, and beef. As a result, the Pakis are
quite a bit taller and more robustly built.

Nope. The Dutch are freak huge. What do they eat? Fries. Nothing but fries
and mayonnaise.

if you listen to Pete they have been known to eat 'pussy' now and then, (I
have no idea what that means)

Post by Curt

Post by Tom Anderson
tom

Nothing bu fries and mayonnaise and prostitutes and steroids.
And pot.
(rolls eyes)
As Om might say, "Educate yourself dude."
No, really, I read it in PubMed.
--
Curt

[Kaleidoscopic Perspectives]

But I'm sure that the Dutch also eat lots of meat and dairy products
as well. After all, don't they have a very good dairy industry? With
dairy comes beef.

Post by Tom Anderson
Nope. The Dutch are freak huge. What do they eat? Fries. Nothing but fries
and mayonnaise.
tom
--
Ten years on, and there is still nothing like this bizarre tale of
biomechanical space madness.